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Saturday, August 23, 2014

1.c.1.f.a.2 Maud and Robert's son Thomas de Holland m Alice Fitz Alan, our cousin Thomas

b.  Thomas de Holland married Alice Fitz Alan, the Countess of Kent.  Daughter of Lady Eleanor of Lancaster and her husband Sir Richard Fitzalan, 10th Earl of Arundal.  More royal blood lines.

They had many children:

  1. Alianore de Holland    married Lord Edward Charlton   Separate post to King Richard III
  2. Eleanor de Holland     married Sir Thomas Montacute 
  3. Thomas de Holland    married Joan Stafford
  4. Joan de Holland         Joan de Holland who married 4 times   See story below
  5. Edmund de Holland    married Constance of Langley    
  6. Margaret de Holland   married Sir John Beaufort and Thomas of Lancaster Duke of Clarence                                                                                                      Separate post to King Henry VII
  7. Elizabeth de Holland    married Sir John Neville
  8. Bridget de Holland       became a nun at Barking Abbey

Alice Holland, Countess of Kent (c. 1350[1] – 17 March 1416), LG, formerly Lady Alice FitzAlan, was an English noblewoman, a daughter of the 10th Earl of Arundel, and the wife of the 2nd Earl of Kent, the half-brother of King Richard II.

 She was the maternal grandmother of Anne Mortimer, thus an ancestor of King Edward IV and King Richard III. Through her daughter, Margaret, King Henry VII was her descendant. She was also the maternal grandmother of Joan Beaufort, Queen of Scotland.

She was appointed a Lady of the Garter in 1388.

Lady Alice FitzAlan was born circa 1350 at Arundel Castle in Sussex, England,[2] the second daughter of the 10th Earl of Arundel, and Lady Eleanor of Lancaster. She had six siblings who included Richard FitzAlan, later 11th Earl of Arundel, and Lady Joan FitzAlan, later Countess of Hereford, Essex, and Northampton. She also had three half-siblings from her parents' previous marriages.

Her paternal grandparents were the 9th Earl of Arundel and Alice de Warenne, and her maternal grandparents were the 3rd Earl of Lancaster and Maud Chaworth.

Marriage and issue

Lady Holland

Lord Holland was appointed captain of the English forces in Aquitaine in 1366, and in 1375, he was made a Knight of the Garter. Two years later in 1377, his half-brother Richard succeeded to the throne of England, as King Richard II. Alice's husband would become one of the young King's chief counsellors and exert a strong influence over his brother which led to the enrichment of Thomas and Alice. Alice was appointed a Lady of the Garter, an order of chivalry, in 1388.
Together Thomas and Alice had ten children:

Later years

Alice's husband died on 25 April 1397. In 1399, King Richard was deposed, and the throne was usurped by Henry IV, the son-in-law of her elder sister, Joan. In January 1400, Alice's eldest son Thomas, who had succeeded his father as the 3rd Earl of Kent, was captured at Cirencester and beheaded without a trial by a mob of angry citizens as a consequence of having been one of the chief conspirators in the Epiphany Rising

 The rebels had hoped to seize and murder King Henry, and immediately restore King Richard to the throne. 

Less than three years earlier, her brother Richard Fitzalan, 11th Earl of Arundel and a Lord Appellant had been executed for his opposition to King Richard.

Alice herself died on 17 March 1416 at the age of sixty-six years.


Alice had many illustrious descendants which included English kings Edward IV, Richard III (and his consort Queen Anne), Henry VII; from the latter of whom descended the Tudor monarchs.

 Alice was also an ancestress of Scottish king James II of Scotland and his successors which included Mary, Queen of Scots and James I of England

Her other notable descendants include the last queen consort of Henry VIII, Catherine Parr; Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick known in history as Warwick the Kingmaker; Cecily Bonville, and Anne Bourchier, 7th Baroness Bourchier.

 Living descendants of Alice Fitzalan include the current British Royal Family.

So there you go, we come from some very fine ancestors!!!!!

A little about Thomas and Alice's children and introducing the powerful Neville Family and touching on one of the most significent events in British history.

1. Alianore de Holland   born 1373  died  1405.  Married Lord Edward Charlton and Roger de Mortimer

2.  Eleanor de Holland   born 1373  died 1413   Married Sit Thomas Montacute

3. Thomas Holland, 1st Duke of Surrey, was beheaded in 1400 by a mob of angry citizens at Cirencester for his role in the Epiphany Rising, which was aimed against the life of King Henry IV of England, who had usurped the throne of King Richard. Thomas's heir to the earldom of Kent was his brother.

Thomas married Joan de Stafford whose sister,  Lady Margaret de Stafford married Ralph Neville!

4. Lady Joan married Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York, son of Edward III of England and Philippa of Hainault, ca. 4 November 1393. As a result of this marriage, she was styled Duchess of York. They had no children.

In 1399, Joan and her sister Margaret were invested as "Lady Companions of the Garter." They were granddaughters of Joan, the "Fair Maid of Kent" who inspired Edward III's founding of the Order of the Garter, according to popular legend.

After Langley's death in 1402, Joan married (before 9 August 1404) William de Willoughby, 5th Lord Willoughby de Eresby  (c. 1370-1409), a Knight of the Garter, son of Robert de Willoughby, 4th Lord Willoughby de Eresby, and Alice Skipwith. Upon her marriage, she became The Baroness Willoughby de Eresby, or Lady Willoughby. Lord Willoughby died on 30 November 1409.

Her third marriage (after 6 September 1410) was to Henry le Scrope, 3rd Baron Scrope of Masham. That year, Scrope was made a Knight of the Garter. He served Henry IV as treasurer, and was executed in 1415 following the failure of his plot with the Earl of Cambridge (Joan's former stepson, being the son of her first husband, and nephew by marriage, being the husband of Anne de Mortimer, her sister's daughter) to assassinate Henry V and place Edmund Mortimer, 5th Earl of March (Joan's nephew) on the throne. (The Earl of March had been the heir presumptive of Richard II.

 In 1399 Richard was forced to abdicate in favour of Henry IV, and for the next few decades Mortimer served as a focal point for conspiracies aimed at removing Henry IV and his heirs from the throne.) Lord Scrope and Cambridge were both beheaded on 5 August 1415 at Southampton Green, Hampshire, England. Cambridge's then four-year old son, Richard Plantagenet, ultimately championed his father's cause, which evolved into the Wars of the Roses and the Yorkist claimants achieving the throne.

Less than a year later, before 27 April 1416, Joan married her fourth and final husband, Sir Henry Bromflete, son of Sir Thomas Bromflete and Margaret St. John.

She died on 12 April 1434. Her husband, Bromflete, was summoned to Parliament as the 1st Lord Vesci (or Vessy) on 24 January 1449. He died on 16 January 1469.

5.Edmund Holland.  born 1383  died 1408  He married Constance de Spencer the daughter of Edmund the Duke of York and his wife Princess Isabel of Castile

Constance of York, Countess of Gloucester, (c. 1374 – 28 November 1416) was the only daughter of Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York and his wife Isabella of Castile, daughter of King Peter of Castile and his favourite mistress, Maria de Padilla.Constance of York, Countess of Gloucester (c. 1374 – 29 November 1416) was the only daughter of Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York and his wife Isabella of Castile, daughter of Pedro of Castile and Maria de Padilla.

 On about 7 November 1379, Constance married Thomas le Despenser, 1st Earl of Gloucester (22 September 1373 – 16 January 1400), who was eventually beheaded at Bristol. She was involved in an affair with Edmund Holland, 4th Earl of Kent and had a daughter by him, Eleanor de Holland. Eleanor was later married to James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley.

6.Margaret Holland Countess of Somerset.  She married twice   Thomas of Lancaster and Sir John de Beaufort the Earl of Somerset

Margaret Holland (1385 - 31 December 1439), married first John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset, and secondly Thomas of Lancaster, 1st Duke of Clarence, son of Henry IV. By John Beaufort, her son by her first marriage, Margaret became the grandmother of Lady Margaret Beaufort, mother of King Henry VII.

See separate post about King Henry VII

John Beaufort, Margaret Holland and Thomas of Lancaster

7.  Bridget  born 1390 was a nun

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