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Monday, August 18, 2014

11c.1.e Ella Longspee married Sir Roger La Zouche and their son was Sir Alan La Zouche

Alan la Zouche, 1st Baron la Zouche of Ashby (9 October 1267 – shortly before 25 March 1314) was born at North Molton, Devonshire, the only son of Roger La Zouche and his wife, Ela Longespee, daughter of Stephen Longespee and Emmeline de Ridelsford.

All that is left of the La Zouche castle in Ashby it was pouring rain when we were there

Let's follow the line a little further back then here and once again we are in France in the Bretagne region.

La Zouche is a French name, but it came about from Joscelin, the Viscount of Porhoet who married Millicent De Cantelou, ad had a son Eudo La Zouche, who was born in 1066.

Eudo La Zouche and Anne De Leon married and had a son Alan La Zouche who was born 1093.  This Alan married Constance of Bretagne Le Gros who was the daughter of Maud Princess of England who was the daughter of none other than King Henry I and his mistress Lady Sybilla of Alcester!

Hope you can follow this so far!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Baron Zouche is a title that has been created three times in the Peerage of England.

The de la Zouche family descended from Alan de la Zouche, sometimes called Alan de Porhoët and Alan la Coche (c. 1093-1150), a Breton who settled in England during the reign of Henry II. He was the son of Vicomte Geoffrey I de Porhoët and Hawisa of Brittany. He married Adeline (Alice) de Belmeis, daughter of Phillip de Belmeis and Maud la Meschine and died at North Molton in North Devon.

Another Royal link

Alice de Bemeis was the daughter of Maud de Meschines and her husband Philip de Balmeis.

Maud was the daughter of William de Meschines and his wife Cecily de Rumily.  His father was Ranulph de briquessart Meschines, who was a direct descendant of King of Italy through his son Count Peppin of Senlis de Valois!

*William had a brother Ranulph whose son Hugh is also a direct ancestor through his marriage to Bertrade of Montfort. Bertrade was a direct descendant of KingHenry I de Vermandois of France and his wife Anna of Kiev. Their story will be in a different post.  This lineage are the descendants of Simon de Montfort.  

Simon I de Montfort born about 1025 in Montfort l'Amaury, Ile de France, France and died 1087. He is buried in Epernon, France. He was the son of Amaury I de Montfort (c. 1000–1031) and Bertrade de Gometz.  His family fought against the English to secure their lands in France.

 Simon de Montfort, 6th Earl of Leicester (c. 1208 – 4 August 1265), also called Simon de Munford and sometimes referred to as Simon V de Montfort to distinguish him from other Simons de Montfort, was a French nobleman who inherited the title and estates of the earldom of Leicester in England. He led the rebellion against King Henry III of England during the Second Barons' War of 1263–4, and subsequently became de facto ruler of England.

During his rule, de Montfort called two famous parliaments. The first stripped the king of unlimited authority, the second included ordinary citizens from the towns. For this reason, Montfort is regarded today as one of the progenitors of modern parliamentary democracy. After a rule of just over a year, Montfort was killed by forces loyal to the king in the Battle of Evesham.

In January 1238, Montfort married Eleanor of England, daughter of King John and Isabella of Angoulême and sister of King Henry III. While this marriage took place with the king's approval, the act itself was performed secretly and without consulting the great barons, as a marriage of such importance warranted. 

Eleanor had previously been married to William Marshal, 2nd Earl of Pembroke, and she swore a vow of perpetual chastity upon his death, when she was sixteen, which she broke by marrying Montfort. The Archbishop of Canterbury, Edmund Rich, condemned the marriage for this reason. The English nobles protested the marriage of the King's sister to a foreigner of modest rank.

Most notably, the king's and Eleanor's brother Richard, 1st Earl of Cornwall, rose up in revolt when he learned of the marriage. King Henry eventually bought off Richard with 6,000 marks and peace was restored.

Back to Alan la Zouche

 He obtained Ashby in Leicestershire (called after him Ashby-de-la-Zouch) by his marriage. His son was Roger la Zouche (c. 1175 – bef. 14 May 1238). Roger La Zouche became the father of Alan la Zouche (1205–1270) and Eudo La Zouche.

Alan was justice of Chester and justice of Ireland under Henry III of England. He was loyal to the king during the struggle with the barons, fought at the Battle of Lewes and helped to arrange the peace of Kenilworth. As the result of a quarrel over some lands with John de Warenne, 6th Earl of Surrey, he was seriously injured in Westminster Hall by the earl and his retainers, and died on 10 August 1270.

Eudo La Zouche married Millicent de Cantilupe.

 Alan's grandson, Alan la Zouche, was summoned to Parliament on 6 February 1299 as Baron la Zouche of Ashby. He was governor of Rockingham Castle and steward of Rockingham Forest. However, this barony fell into abeyance on his death in 1314. Another grandson of Alan de la Zouche was William la Zouche, Lord of Haryngworth, who was summoned to Parliament as Baron Zouche, of Haryngworth, on 16 August 1308.

 His great-great-great-grandson, the fifth Baron, married Alice Seymour, 6th Baroness St Maur, and assumed this peerage in her right. Their son succeeded to both titles; his stepmother, Elizabeth St. John, was an aunt of the future Henry VII, a connection which proved useful to later members of the family. 

The seventh Baron was attainted in 1485 for loyalty to Richard III but was eventually restored to his title and a portion of his lands. On the death in 1625 of the eleventh and twelfth Baron, the peerages fell into abeyance between the latter's daughters Hon. Elizabeth and Hon. Mary

Alan la Zouche (or de la, also Zouch) Baron Zouche (d. 1270) was an Anglo-Norman nobleman and soldier

Roger la Zouche  b 1182 was the son of Alan la Zouche, Lord of Ashby and his wife Adelicia LA Zouche  He was Sheriff of Devonshire, and a withness to King Henry III's confirmation of the Magna Carta

He was the son of Roger de la Zouch and the grandson of Alan de la Zouch. This elder Alan, the first of the family to be established in England, was a younger son of ‘Galfridus vicecomes,’ that is, in all probability of Geoffrey, viscount of Porhoet in Brittany (d. 1141); his elder brother, Eudes de Porhoet, was for a few years count of Brittany, but with a disputed title, and his uncle, also named Alan, was founder of the viscounty of Rohan

Under Henry II Alan de Porhoet, or de la Zouch, established himself in England, and married Adeliza or Alice de Belmeis, sole heiress of the house of Belmeis [cf. Belmeis, Richard de], her inheritance including Tong Castle in Shropshire, Ashby (afterwards called Ashby-de-la-Zouch) in Leicestershire, North Molton in Devonshire, and other lands in Cambridgeshire and elsewhere.

He married Adeline (Alice) de Belmeis, daughter of Phillip de Belmeis and Maud la Meschine and died at North Molton in North Devon. He obtained Ashby in Leicestershire (called after him Ashby-de-la-Zouch) by his marriage.

As her husband, Alan de la Zouch became an important personage at Henry II's court. Their sons, William de la Zouch (d. 1199) and Roger de la Zouch (d. 1238?), succeeded in turn to these estates. Roger's Breton connection was almost fatal to him in 1204, but he managed to regain John's favour, and devoted himself to that king to the last. In the first year of Henry III's reign he was rewarded by receiving grants of the forfeited estates of his kinsmen, the viscounts of Rohan. He died before 3 November 1238.

Early service

On 15 June 1242 Alan was summoned to attend the king Henry III with horses and arms in Gascony. He was at La Sauve in October, at Bordeaux in March and April 1243, and at La Réole in November. Before 6 August 1250 Zouch was appointed justice of Chester and of the four cantreds in North Wales. Matthew Paris says that he got this office by outbidding his predecessor, John de Grey

He offered to pay a ferm of twelve hundred marks instead of five hundred. Zouch boasted that Wales was nearly all reduced to obedience to the English laws, but his high-handed acts provoked royal interference and censure. He continued in office as the Lord Edward's deputy after the king's grant of Chester and Wales to his eldest son.

In Ireland

Ireland had been among the lands which Edward had received from Henry III in 1254. In the spring of 1256 Zouch was sent to there on the service of the Lord Edward, and soon afterwards he was appointed justice of Ireland under Edward, his first official mandate being dated 27 June 1256. In 1257 he was still in Ireland.

On 28 June 1258 he received a mandate from the king, now under the control of the barons, not to admit any justice or other officer appointed by Edward to Ireland unless the appointment had the consent of the king and the barons. However, he ceased to hold office soon after this, Stephen Longespee being found acting as justice in October 1258.


During the barons' wars Zouch adhered to the king. He was on 9 July 1261 appointed sheriff of Northamptonshire, receiving in October a letter from the king urging him to keep his office despite any baronial interlopers. He remained sheriff until 1264, and sometimes ignored the provisions of Magna Carta by acting as justice itinerant in his own shire and also in Buckinghamshire and Hampshire. In 1261 he was also made justice of the forests south of Trent, and in 1263 king's seneschal. In April 1262 he held forest pleas at Worcester.

On 12 December 1263 he was one of the royalist barons who agreed to submit all points of dispute to the arbitration of Louis IX. According to some accounts he was taken prisoner early in the battle of Lewes by John Giffard. He escaped almost immediately and took refuge in Lewes Priory, where he is said to have been found after the fight disguised as a monk.

In the summer of 1266 he was one of the committee of twelve arbitrators appointed to arrange the terms of the surrender of Kenilworth Castle. On 23 June 1267, after the peace between Henry III and Gilbert de Clare, 8th Earl of Gloucester, he was appointed warden of London and constable of the Tower. He continued in office until Michaelmas, whereupon his tenure was prolonged until Easter 1268.

In 1270 Zouch had a suit against Earl Warenne with regard to a certain estate. On 19 June the trial was proceeding before the justices in banco at Westminster Hall, and Zouch seemed likely to win the case. He was murderously attacked by Earl Warenne and his followers.

 Roger, his son, was wounded and driven from the hall; Alan himself was seriously injured and left on the spot. He was still surviving when, on 4 August, Warenne made his peace with the crown and agreed to pay a substantial compensation to the injured Zouches. He died on 10 August, and on 20 October his son Roger received seisin of his estate.


Zouch was a benefactor of the Knights Templars, to whom he gave lands at Sibford, and to the Belmeis family foundation of Buildwas Abbey, after having carried on protracted lawsuits with that house.

  • Eudes or Ivo la Zouche, the alleged ancestor of the Zouches of Harringworth.

He received seisin of his father's lands after paying homage to the king on October 13, 1289. Alan was governor of Rockingham Castle and steward of Rockingham Forest. Alan La Zouche died without any sons shortly before at the age of 46, and his barony fell into abeyance among his daughters.

From wikipedia


Alan la Zouche was born in North Molton on St Denis's Day (9 October) 1267 and was baptised in the church there, as was testified by his uncle "Henry la Zuche, clerk" and several local and other gentry and clerics at his proof-of-age inquisition in 1289 which enabled him to exit royal wardship:
"Alan son and heir of Roger la Zusche alias la Zuch, la Souche. Writ to Peter Heym and Robert de Radington, to enquire whether the said Alan, who is in the king's wardship, is of full age, as he says, or not, The eve of St. Margaret (20 June), 17 Edw. I. The said Alan, who was born at North Molton and baptized in the church there, was 21 on the day of St. Denis, 16 Edw. I.

The Abbot of Lyleshull ( Lilleshall Abbey in Shropshire, to which he gave the advowson of North Molton Church in 1313) says the said Alan was born in Devon on the feast of St. Denis, and was 22 at that feast last past, and he knows it because he was keeper of a grange of Alan's father at Assheby four years ago, and knew from his father and mother that he was then 18. The prior of Repindon agrees, and knows it because his predecessor was created prior in the same year and was prior for twelve years, and he himself has now been prior for ten years.

The prior of Swaveseye agrees, for he has been prior for twenty years, and saw him (Alan) before his creation when he was 2 years old. The prior of Ulvescroft agrees, for he has enquired from religious men, and especially from the nuns of Gracedieu who dwell near Alan's father's manor of Assheby. Brother William Ysnach of Gerendon agrees, for he sued the pleas of the house for nearly twenty-two (?) years, and Alan was born at the feast of St. Denis preceding.

Geoffrey prior of Brackele agrees, for he was always with Alan's ancestors and ... twenty-four years ago, and within two years following Alan was born. Richard le Flemyng, knight, (probably of Bratton Fleming) agrees, and knows it from the wife of William de Raleye (probably of Raleigh, Pilton) who nursed Alan. John Punchardon, knight, (probably of Heanton Punchardon) agrees, for he held his land for such a time. Alfred de Suleny, knight, agrees, for his firstborn son was born on the same day.

John de Curteny, knight, (i.e. Courtenay) agrees, for his mother died at Easter before Alan was born. William (?) de Sancto Albino, knight, agrees, for his brother gave him certain land, which he has held for twenty-one years, and one year previously Alan was born. William L'Estrange (Latinised as "Extraneus"), knight, agrees, for his (Alan's ?) father made him a knight sixteen years ago last Christmas, when Alan carried the sword before him, and was then 6 years old, except between Christmas and St. Denis.

Robert de Crues, knight, agrees, for he has a daughter of the same age. Henry la Zuche, clerk, agrees, for he is his uncle, and likewise knows it from him who was at that time parson of the church of Hamme. Walter parson of Manecestre agrees, for the church of Karlingford in Ireland was given to him nearly twenty-two years ago, and when the news came to him in Devon Alan's mother lay in childbed.

Robert parson of Pakinton agrees, for he was instituted into his vicarage at the Purification last past now twenty-two years ago, and Alan was born at the feast of St. Denis following. 

Well at least the Knights and servants knew he had been born!! They must not have recorded his birth!


Alan la Zouche married Elena de Quincy (d. 1296), one of the daughters and coheirs of Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester, and in 1267 succeeded to her share of the Quincy estates, and had a son:

Roger de la Zouch, who married Ela Longespee, daughter of  Stephen and Emeline countess of Ulster, was summoned to parliament, and died in 1285, being succeeded by his son.

Alan la Zouche, 1st Baron la Zouche of Ashby,  born 1267 then aged 18, who died in 1314, being also summoned to parliament between 1297 and his death

The de QuincyLineage

Elena De Quincy's father was Roger III de Quincy the Earl of Winchester and her mother was Helen of Galloway.

His father was Saer De Quincy and his mother was Margaret de Beaumont

Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (c. 1170 – 3 November 1219) (or Saieur di Quinci[1]) was one of the leaders of the baronial rebellion against King John of England, and a major figure in both the kingdoms of Scotland and England in the decades around the turn of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries.

Scottish Upbringing
Saer de Quincy's immediate background was in the Scottish kingdom: his father, Robert de Quincy, was a knight in the service of king William the Lion, and his mother Orabilis was the heiress of the lordship of Leuchars in Fife (see below). His rise to prominence in England came through his marriage to Margaret, the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester: but it is probably no coincidence that her other brother was the de Quincys' powerful Fife neighbour, Roger de Beaumont, Bishop of St Andrews. In 1204, Earl Robert died, leaving Margaret as co-heiress to the vast earldom along with her elder sister. The estate was split in half, and after the final division was ratified in 1207, de Quincy was made Earl of Winchester.
The family of de Quincy had arrived in England after the Norman Conquest, and took their name from Cuinchy in the Arrondissement of Béthune; the personal name "Saer" was used by them over several generations. Both names are variously spelled in primary sources and older modern works, the first name being sometimes rendered Saher or Seer, and the surname as Quency or Quenci.
The first recorded Saer de Quincy (known to historians as "Saer I") was lord of the manor of Long Buckby in Northamptonshire in the earlier twelfth century, and second husband of Matilda of St Liz, stepdaughter of King David I of Scotland by Maud of Northumbria. This marriage produced two sons, Saer II and Robert de Quincy. It was Robert, the younger son, who was the father of the Saer de Quincy who eventually became Earl of Winchester. By her first husband Robert Fitz Richard, Maud was also the paternal grandmother of Earl Saer's close ally, Robert Fitzwalter.
Robert de Quincy seems to have inherited no English lands from his father, and pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from around 1160 as a close companion of his cousin, King William the Lion. By 1170 he had married Orabilis, heiress of the Scottish lordship of Leuchars and, through her, he became lord of an extensive complex of estates north of the border which included lands in Fife, Strathearn and Lothian.
Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis of Leuchars, was raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians and genealogists to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II, who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II's line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family's Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France.


By his wife Margaret de Beaumont, Saer de Quincy had three sons and three daughters:

The de Beaumonts

Sir Robert de Beaumont [f], Earl of Leicester, Justiciar of England, Knight, b 1104, Beaumont, Leicestershire, England, d 5 Apr 1168. He md Amice de Montfort aft Nov 1120, daughter of Ralph de Gael de Montford.

Children of Robert de Beaumont and Amice de Montfort were:

Sir Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester, b 1121.
Isabel de Beaumont b abt 1123, Leicestershire, England, d aft May 1188.
                           She md Sir Simon de St. Liz, Earl of Northampton, abt 1137, son of Simon de St. Liz, Earl                                                                                 of Huntingdon and Northampton, and Maud of Huntingdon.
Margaret de Beaumont b 1125, Leicestershire, England, d aft 1185. 
                           She md Sir Ralph V de Toeni, Lord of Flamstead, aft 1155, son of Sir Roger III de Toeni,                                                                                    Lord of Flamstead, and Ida of Hainault.
Hawise de Beaumont b abt 1128, Leicestershire, England, d 24 Apr 1197. 
                            She md Sir William Fitz Robert, Earl of Gloucester, abt 1150, 
                             son of Sir Robert de Caen, Earl of Gloucester, and Maud Fitz Hamon.
Sir Robert de Beaumont [g], Earl of Leicester, b 1121, Beaumont, Leicestershire, England, d 31 Aug 1190, Durazzo, Greece.
                          He md Petronilla de Grandmesnil [h] abt 1153, daughter of William de Grandmesnil.

Children of Robert de Beaumont and Petronilla de Grandmesnil were:

Margaret de Beaumont b abt 1156, Hampshire, England, d 12 Jan 1234/35.         Our lineage
                         She md Sir Saher de Quincy, Magna Carta Surety, Earl of Winchester, bef 1173,
                                                  son of Sir Robert de Quincy, Knight, and Orabella de Leuchars.
Amicia de Beaumont b abt 1158. She md Simon de Montfort 1173.

From this you can see that Margaret de Beaumont's aunt was the mother of Ida de Toeni, another of King Henry II's mistresses in our lineage.

Military service

Alan was in Gascony with King Edward I of England in October 1288, when he was one of the hostages given by the king to Alfonso of Aragon for the fulfillment of certain agreements. He was in Scotland in the King's service in June 1291. In April 1294 he had a writ of protection from the King when he travelled overseas with the King's daughter, Eleanor of Bar.

He served in Gascony in 1295 and 1296, and was present at the action around Bordeaux on 28 March 1296, when his standard bearer was captured by the French. In 1297 he was summoned for service in Flanders, and attended Councils in Rochester and London in that year.

War against the Scots  and the famous William Wallace

He was summoned for service against the Scots in 1297-1313. He fought in the Vanguard at the Battle of Falkirk on 22 July 1298. King Edward's army at that battle consisted of 12,000 infantry, including 10,000 Welsh, and 2,000 cavalry.

William Wallace, the Scottish leader accepted battle in a withdrawn defensive position. Wallace had few cavalry and few archers; but his solid "schiltrons" (circles) of spearmen were almost invincible. The armoured cavalry of the English vanguard were hurled back with severe losses. Edward brought up his Welsh archers in the intervals between the horsemen of the second line, concentrating their arrows on specific points in the Scottish schiltrons. It was into these gaps that the English knights forced their way, and once the Scottish order was broken the spearmen were quickly massacred.

Siege of Caerlaverock

Alan was at the siege of Caerlaverock Castle in July 1300. His presence is recorded in the contemporary "Caerlaverock Poem", being an early roll of arms:
Aleyn de la Souche tresor Signiioit ke fust brians
Sa rouge baniere a besans
Car bienscai ki a dependu Tresor plus ke en burce pendu
"Sa rouge baniere a bezants" (as re-stated in modern French) "his red banner bezantée", is the description of the coat of arms he bore at the siege.

Subsequent career

He was summoned to Edward II's coronation on 18 January 1307/08. In December of that year he had a protection to go on a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela. He was the Constable of Rockingham Castle
and the Keeper of the forests between the bridges of Oxford and Stamford.

Marriage and issue

He married Eleanor de Segrave, daughter of Nicholas de Segrave, 1st Baron Segrave. They had the following daughters:

Nicholas de Segrave (or Seagrave), 1st Baron Segrave (c. 1238 - 1295) was an English baronial leader. Nicholas was grandson of Stephen de Segrave.

Segrave was one of the most prominent baronial leaders during the reign of King Henry III. In 1295 he was summoned to Parliament as Baron Segrave (some sources claim that he was summoned already in 1283). He died by 12 November of the same year and was succeeded in the barony by his son John.

1st Baron Segrave "Rebel Baron and Crusader" (Prominent baronial leader during the reign and revolt of King Henry III. On side of Simon de Monfort at the Battle of Evesham where he was wounded and taken prisoner. Pardoned.) (1238-1295)

Marriage and issue

By his wife Matilda (Maud) de Lucy, daughter of Sir Thomas de Lucy of Copeland and Isabel de Bolteby, daughter of Adam Nicholas de Bolteby. Nicholas and Matilda had;

So that is a little more of the la Zouche's unravelled!

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