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Thursday, March 19, 2015 Montagu Durnsford m Mary Mann The Mann lineage from Ireland

Mary Mann was the daughter of Ellen Mann and Sam Ping

Ellen Mann was the daughter of John Mann and his wife Sarah Leggett.  They came from the town of Tandragee, in Armagh in Northern Ireland.  Sarah died in Ireland around 1852

John along with the children arrived in Australia on 1st December 1862.  

Armagh is the name one of the towns and a county, that the plantation settlers were allocated by King James Tandgeree is part of the county,



  The church sits on top of a hill we walked the gravestones but couldn't find any that related to any family names.  In the 1700's spinning and weaving and the crushing of grain were the industries.  They  used the canal system to deliver goods to Belfast.

It is where the Patron Saint of Ireland, Saint Patrick is buried, and these days lots of tours to the Cathedral and the St Patrick's Trail are popular.

Church of St. James, Tandragee


After spending a lot of time with the Research officer in the Council, we were still unable to trace any family members from both sides of our families.  The Lord of Hereford was granted the lands.  Each of the towns are fairly close together.  The area used to be a hot spot for IRA troubles, but those days are in the past.  I was surprised at how large the towns were, I really expected small villages.

The country side and below to the left is Portadown, then older scenes of Armagh

 Moving on from Ireland. Again it was the Famine that resulted in exodus from Ireland.  The farmers crops failed. There was no food. They did have soup kitchens for a while. but they stopped.

The famine declined after 1848 and consequently so did the numbers seeking refuge in the workhouse and by 1851 Armagh had only 710 on the rolls.

 Time to reflect.

 While all the poor Irish were facing the ravages of the famine, our British Durnfords were busy in Ireland surveying the country.

Montague John Felton Durnford was in Cork in 1836 when his youngest daughter was born.  Many other uncles and cousins were serving in Ireland.

There are two graveyards at the workhouse, the first one, still known locally as the “Paupers’ graves”, was across the road from the entrance and later a second plot was laid out for this purpose close to the infirmary and the fever hospital. The Southern Health and Social Services Board has recently taken cognizance of these sites

It was a sad time, not only did they have to line up at the door of the workhouse, to be registered and processed, they had to endure the long journey to Australia.

Somewhere in all these people, is our Margaret Brown/McConnell/Gillespie.  The town of Leburn is not very far from the Armagh area.   Flax was grown.  Unscrupulous middle men charge enormous rents to the farmers for the use of the lands, they could not afford to pay.     It is an interesting site to learn more about the famine.



The Castle is the Records Office

John MANN was born Abt 1808 in Tandragee, Armagh, Ireland, and died in July 1887 in East Maitland New South Wales.Australia.

His parents were James Mann and Margaret Bartrum.

Sarah LEGGETT was born 19th October 1807 in Ireland, and died 1856.  The name was also spelt Liggett.

John and the children arrived in Australia on the Conway arriving in Queensland 1st December 1862.   In 1862 John and five of his children – John, Sarah, Ellen, Mary and Alexander, immigrated to Australia on the ship the Conway.

The ship left Southhampton, England on 17th August 1862 and reached Brisbane on 1st December 1862. 

Children of Sarah LEGGETT and John MANN are:

Samuel MANN was born Abt 1831 in Tandragee, Armagh, Ireland, and died 10 Jun 1893 in Tuchekoi, Gympie, Queensland, Australia.

He married Elizabeth CAMPBELL 8 Nov 1855 in Church of Tandragee, Tandragee, , Armagh, Northern Ireland, daughter of William CAMPBELL and Catherine [--?--]. She was born Abt 1836 in Armagh, Ireland, and died Unknown in Maybe 1907 Qld 1907/001074.

They were married in Church of Tandragee where Jane Liggot and James Armstrong where the witnesses.  He was listed as a gardener.  They arrived in Australia on the Phoebe Dunbar arriving 5th May 1856.  The lived at Tuchekoi in Gympie in Queensland.

Samuel was proprietor of the "Royal Bull's Head Inn" in Drayton Toowoomba some time between 1865 and 1879.   As per the report.  From there he went to Gympie area.

  •  Labourer 1868 
  • Residence: 1868 Gibb Street, Drayton, Queensland, Australia

  • The Royal Bull's Head Inn is a heritage-listed historical hotel located in Drayton, Queensland, Australia. It is currently managed as a trust property by the National Trust of Queensland William Horton died in 1864 (2) and the inn’s furnishings were sold at auction in 1865.

    The hotel was then managed by a succession of businessmen, including Timothy Larkin, Samuel Mann and Henry Neale. In 1875 most of the original building and the stables were sold for removal leaving only the 1859 extension and the original kitchen remaining.(1) These are the buildings which are standing today


    George MANN was born 1831 in Ballymore, Armagh, Ireland, and died 31 Dec 1857 in Morpeth, New South Wales, Australia. He married Jane BENNETT 24 Aug 1854 in Church of Portadown, Drumcree, , Armagh, Northern Ireland, daughter of James BENNETT and Ann [--?--]. She was born Abt 1837 in Ballamore, Armagh, Ireland, and died Unknown.

    George and Jane arrived in Australia in 1855 onboard the Golden Era.
    They had two sons, George  born 1857 died 1931 and James b 1855 d 1857. He died 3st December 1857 in Morpeth New South Wales.              

    George was a contractor, hotelkeeper and business man.  He died in Murwillumbah 19th September 1931. He married twice, and had four sons, Edgar 1882 d 1919  Frederick William b 1891 - 1915, George b 1886  and Cecil McDonald b 1896 d 1967 and three daughters Margaret b 1884 Jane born 1888 d 1890 and Jessie b 1893 all were in the AIF and two lost their lives in World War I.  He married firstly Ellen Esther Bulter  b 1861 - 1898 and secondly Edith Marion Bond b 1871 d 1934, with whom he had a daughter Ann b 1901 d 1985

    Edgar Charles Mann SN 2442 enlisted and served in France. He was a member of the 4th Pioneer Battalion.   He was admitted to Military Hospital in Fovant, early February 1919, and died of bronchical pneumonia.  He is buried at St Georges Parish Churchyard, Grave No1 Section C Consecrated Ground - Fovant England.   Edgar had a wife Beatrix, and 5 children.  He had been in the 3rd Concentration Camp Cape Hurdcott.   NOK  Col FR McDonald ASC Carlton Hotel

    Private  Service No:2442ADate of Death:16/02/1919
    Age:37  Regiment/Service: Australian Pioneers  4th
    Grave Reference: I. C. 1.  Cemetery:  FOVANT (ST. GEORGE) CHURCHYARD
    Additional Information:
    Son of George Mann; husband of Beatrice Frances Mann, of Station St., Sunnybank, Queensland. Born at Chinderah, New South Wales.

    During the two world wars, the United Kingdom became an island fortress used for training troops and launching land, sea and air operations around the globe. There are more than 170,000 Commonwealth war graves in the United Kingdom, many being those of servicemen and women killed on active service, or who later succumbed to wounds. Others died in training accidents, or because of sickness or disease. The graves, many of them privately owned and marked by private memorials, will be found in more than 12,000 cemeteries and churchyards.

    There was a 600 bed hutted military hospital at Fovant during the First World War, and the concentration of Australian depots and training camps in the area is reflected in the 63 First World War burials in this churchyard. The war graves form two groups, one west of the church and the other at the east end. There is also one burial of the Second World War.

    George Peattie Mann was in the Divisional Signal Compay, SN 42, he sailed on the Karroo
    He joined on 18th August 1914 and his occupation was a stockman.  He sailed from Victoria on 20th October 2014.  He was gassed and he spent time in England, he returned to Australia and died 9th September 1957 in Newton New South Wales.

    Cecil McDonald Mann was in World War 1 SN 2291.  He was in Gallipoli in July 1915, transferring to the 7th Battery 12th August 1915.  He was wounded on 21st August, 1915.   and then was injured and later sent to France.    He returned to Australia on the Hario-a-Hind in September 1918  He started in the 3rd Field Artillery then 1st Div Signal Coy. then 7th Battery.  He was also in Belgium.  He embarked on 25th September 1914 on the HMAT Rangatira from Brisbane.  He married Gladys Mc Neil in Kempsey 1921

    Cecil McDonald MANN

    Regimental number2291
    ReligionChurch of England
    AddressChindera, Tweed River, New South Wales
    Marital statusSingle
    Age at embarkation19
    Next of kinFather, George Mann, Chindera, Tweed River, New South Wales
    Enlistment date4 September 1914
    Rank on enlistmentDriver
    Unit nameField Artillery Brigade 3, Military District 1
    AWM Embarkation Roll number13/31/1
    Embarkation detailsUnit embarked from Brisbane, Queensland, on board Transport A22 Rangatira on 25 November 1914
    Rank from Nominal RollSapper
    Unit from Nominal Roll1st Divisional Ammunition Column
    Recommendations (Medals and Awards)Military Medal

    '(East of Ypres) Conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty in maintaining communications under heavy fire.'
    Recommendation date: 5 October 1917

    FateReturned to Australia 24 September 1918
    MedalsMilitary Medal

    His grandson is seeking his medals which are missing.

    I am searching for my grandfather's First World War medals (1914-1915 Star, British War Medal & Victory Medal). His name was Cecil McDonald MANN and the First World War Embarkation Roll indicates that he boarded HMAT Rangatira (A22) on the 25th of September, 1914 at Port Brisbane. At this time, he was allocated to the 3 FAB (Field Artillery Brigade). Cecil McDonald MANN served on Gallipoli and was wounded in action with a gun shot wound(GSW - arm) on the 21st of August, 1915. He transferred to the 1st Divisional Signal Company on the 7th of September, 1916 in France. He was wounded again whilst in France and Belgium but survived the war. He embarked for return to Australia on the 24th of September, 1918. Apparently his medals were sent on to Murwillumbah, his home town, while he was in Sydney after the war. Any assistance in helping my family to recover these missing war medals would be greatly appreciated. 

    Cecil Mann worked for the Bulletin from 1925-1960. At the time of his retirement he was associate editor of the magazine. During his 35 years with the Bulletin Mann wrote for every section with the exception of the financial pages. He was editor of the Red Page for a time and also fulfilled the role of theatre critic

    Service Number: 2291
    Rank: Sapper
    Unit: 1st Australian Division Signals Company
    Service: Army
    Conflict: First World War, 1914-1918
    Award: Military Medal
    Date of Commonwealth of Australia Gazette: 2 May 1918
    Location in Commonwealth of Australia Gazette: Page 1037, position 24
    Date of London Gazette: 17 December 1917

    Location in London Gazette: Page 13199, position 16

    Frederick William MANN, 9th Infantry Battalion  killed at landing Gallipoli

    Service Number: 1037
    Rank: Private
    Unit: 9th Australian Infantry Battalion
    Service: Australian Army
    Conflict: First World War, 1914-1918
    Date of death: 25 April 1915
    Place of death: Gallipoli, Ottoman Empire
    Cause of death: Killed in action
    Age at death: 23
    Place of association: Chinderah, Australia
    Cemetery or memorial details: Lone Pine Memorial, Gallipoli Peninsula, Canakkale Province, Turkey
    Rank: Private
    Service No: 1037
    Date of Death: 25/04/1915
    Age: 23
    Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.  
    9th Bn.
    Panel Reference: 31.
    Additional Information: Son of George Mann, of Chinderah, Tweed River, New South Wales.

    Source: AWM145 Roll of Honour cards, 1914-1918 War, Army


     Another family who waited for years for a death certificate and searched for answers.

    The Panels at The Australian Memorial at Gallipoli

    SADLY it seems the living memorials to the fallen soldiers of the Cudgen district, the stately pine trees, may have to go as time takes a toll on them.

    The Cudgen Memorial Avenue in Collier St, Cudgen was first planted about February 1919. By the end of the month the pine trees were in place and tree guards at the cost of two guineas each were in the process of being erected.

    At the time The Tweed Daily noted "The fallen heroes to whose memory this fine tribute is paid are: Ptes P and M Price, F W Mann, T Cowan, C Hansen, T Lillie, Harper, Ellis, Turnbull, Lewis, McCarthy, and R Clark and J McGinnes." Another tree would also be planted to the memory of Pte W Curtis who had died a short time earlier from illness.

    The WW1 memorial tablets at Cudgen list the local fallen as H Clarke, R Clarke, T Cowen, W Curtis, Ellis, C Hansen, G Harper, J Lewis, T Lillie, F Mann, E Mann, B McCarthy, J McInnes, M Price, P Price and J A Turnock.

    Twenty-year-old farmer Percy Pierce Price, born in Kempsey, was the son of William and Mary Price of Cudgen. He enlisted at Murwillumbah in March 1915 and suffered a shoulder wound at Gallipoli in August 1915. Pte Price was attached to 4th Machine Gun Company when he was killed in action in France in April 1917.

    Cudgen Hall was crowded for the memorial service on Sunday afternoon, July 28, 1918 for Pte Morris Price who was William and Mary Price's second son to die in the conflict. Born at Moonbah near Jindabyne in NSW, the 23-year-old farmer enlisted in November 1915 and was in the Cyclist Corps when he was killed in action in France in June 1918.

    The son of George and Edith Mann of Chinderah, Frederick William Mann was born in Sydney. The 23-year-old carpenter enlisted in September 1914. A member of the Military Expeditionary Force in the Gallipoli campaign, Pte Mann was killed in the landing on Gallipoli Peninsula and was buried at sea.

    George and Edith Mann lost another son, 33-year-old Edgar Charles, who was born in the NSW town of Morpeth. Pte Mann was married with five children and after serving in France and surviving the conflict he died from bronchial pneumonia in February 1919 at Fovant Camp Military Hospital. His widow Beatrice received the news at Chinderah that he was buried in the nearby St George Parish church yard.


    Jane MANN was born Abt 1834 in Armagh, Ireland, was christened 23 Aug 1835 in Tandaragee, County Armagh, Northern Ireland, and died 12 Aug 1914 in West Cowra, New South Wales, Australia.

    She married Thomas CAVES 24 May 1871 in Mr I Hutchinson's House, West Maitland, New South Wales, Australia, son of Thomas CAVES and Mary BEST. He was born Abt 1844 in London, England, and died 2-3 Sep 1915 in Dalton Road (No. 51), Mosman, New South Wales, Australia.

    They had 4 children
    John Thomas Caves b 1874   d 1934.  m  Honora West 1892.

    John was a commercial traveller and lived in Queensland. He enlisted in WWi, but had to be discharged due to his wife's illness.  He enlisted in Charleville.

      Their son Raymond Thomas Caves born 1893 also enlisted  He enlisted in Charleville and returned to Australia.  His SN 1001  31st Battalion embarked 9th November 1915, HMAT  Wandilla

    The 31st Battalion was raised mainly in Queensland with some company elements in Broadmeadows where they 'married up' prior to emabrkation in November 1915. Its colour patch indicates that it is part of the 5th Division by the vertical rectangle. The yellow sidebar is unique to the 8th Brigade. The brown sidebar indicates it is the third battalion of the four that belong to the Brigade.

    The 31st was embarked to become the third battalion in the 8th Brigade of the 5th Division when the latter was raised in Egypt during the the 'doubling of the AIF' in early 1916. The 8th Brigade was a composite Brigade with a Battalion each from Victoria, New South Wales, and two composite Battalions, one drawn from Queensland / Victoria and the other from Western and South Australia. The 31st and its sister Battalions of the 8th Brigade began embarkation for France from Egypt in May 1916.  They were destined for an area known as "The Nursery" in the Armentieres sector of norther France, near two villages either side of the front line;  Fleurbaix on the Allied side and Fromelles on the German side.

    In March 1916, the Australian Imperial Force moved to France, and by July and August, the Australians were heavily involved on the Western Front. The 5th Division was the first to encounter the Germans on 19 July 1916 in a small but bloody engagement at Fromelles in Northern France. Shortly after, the 1st, 2nd and 4th Divisions became embroiled in the Somme offensive at Poziers and Mouquet Farm. In six weeks of operations, the Australian divisions suffered approximately 28 000 casualties.

    Jane's son jumped from the Sydney Harbour Bridge in January 1934.  What makes it rather sad is in January 1934 alone there were 4  who did the same - exited the Sydney Harbour Bridge.


    John Joseph MANN was born Abt 1838 in Tandaragee, County Armagh, Northern Ireland, and died 6 Dec 1924 in Prince Albert Memorial Hospital, Tenterfield, New South Wales, Australia.

    He married Sarah Ellen Jane CARLYLE 22 Aug 1865 in Presbyterian Church, Drayton, Queensland, Australia, daughter of John (Snr) Carlyle and Sarah MCGlamah

    She was born Abt 1846 in Glasgow, Scotland, and died 4 Jun 1919 in Stanthorpe, , Queensland, Australia.

    John and Sarah had a total of children Sarah Jane, Mary Anne John and Arthur while they lived at Brisbane Street Drayton.

    They moved to Stanthorpe and the last 8 children were born Isabell, George, William, Samuel, Alexander, James, Catherin Annies and Ethel Edith Maud

    John died 6th December 1924 and at the Prince Albert Memorial Hospital Tenterfield, and is buried in Tenerfield Cemetery.

    Miners working at St. Leonard's Tin Mine, Sugarloaf Creek near Stanthorpe, ca. 1873. Photograph by William Boag. State Library of Queensland.


    John followed a number of callings during his lifetime. He was a labourer and carrier in Drayton Toowoomba a Tin Miner and later a Selector in the Stanthorpe District. John lived on two of the more famous tin mines the Brisbane and Melbourne claims. He had a selection in the vicinity of Fletcher near Glen Aplin. John was regarded as one of the pioneers of the Stanthorpe District and his photograph was hung in the Stanthorpe Schoolof Arts.

    Quart Pot Creek in southeast Queensland starts below Bald Rock at an elevation of 964m and ends at an elevation of 781m flowing into the Severn River.

    The Quart Pot Creek drops around 183m over its 32.2km length.

    The Quart Pot Creek flows through Storm King Dam (877m) on its way to joining the Severn River.

    Sarah Ellen Carlyle died 4th June 1919 in Stanthorpe.

    His Children

    Sarah Jane was born 1866  and died in 1930 in Tenterfield   She married Charles Ludvig Vock 1864 - 1933.  They had 3 daughters.  Jessie, Ruby and Emily

    Mary Amelia was born 1867 and died 1952. She married Albert John Eastaughffe.
    Albert was in the NSW Citizens Bushmen as a Trooper in B Squadron, and was sent to Boer War. He was injured and returned to Australia 6th August 1900

    Rank: Trooper SN 70
    Unit: New South Wales Citizen Bushmen
    Conflict: South Africa, 1899-1902 (Boer War)
    Native place: New South Wales, Australia
    Notes: Murray Remarks: Invalided, Australia, arr. 06/08/1900

    Source: Murray page number - 79
     They had two daughters, Lillian May b 1903, Annie born 1904 and a son Albert John born 1905 d 1953.  He married Margaret Fleming.

    There are no records for Annie Ethel so she may have died at birth.
    Albert and his family lived in Townsville.

    John Mann orn 26th February 1869 died 18 June 1888 at Ballandean as a result of an accident, he was shot by his brother.  There was an inquest.

    John Mann's eldest son was accidently shot by his brother George. Evidence given by John Mann at the inquest reads as follows;-
    John Mann upon his oath says as follows, I am a miner, and reside on Quart Pot Creek near the Brisbane Claim, about three or four miles from Stanthorpe.
    I have got a selection down the Severn River about ten miles from Stanthorpe. I was down there last week, I left there last Sunday, leavingthere my three sons John, Arthur and George, at a hut which I
    erected on my selection. On Tuesday morning on my way to my selection, inpassing Mrs Finnerty's
    I heard that my boy John was shot. I then went to my selection, to the place where I left my three sons.
    I arrived there between eleven and twelve o'clock on the day of the nineteenth of June 1888.
    I there saw two Constables and Doctor Orton, and Mr Fletcher the Publican with William Wright snr and William Wright jnr.
    After a little time I went int the hut, and saw a body lying in a pool of blood on the floor of the hut. I afterwards identified the body as thatof my son John.
    I then afterwards brought the body into Stanthorpe.
    I last saw my deceased son John alive on Sunday evening the seventeenth of June 1888. in my hut on my selection on the Severn River. My deceased son was seventeen years of age, my son Arthur is sixteen , and George is eleven in August next.
    My sons were always friendly with each other.

    John Mann

    Taken and sworn before me at Stanthorpe in the said Colony on the day
    and year first above mentioned.


    Arthur James Mann was born 1872 and died 1919.

    He gave evidence to the enquiry about the shooting of his brother.

    Arthur Mann was present when his brother John was accidently killed. His deposition at the inquest reads as follows;-
    Arthur Mann upon his oath says as follows I am the age of sixteen years, and reside with my father at the Brisbane claim about three or four miles from Stanthorpe. I work with my father who is a tin miner.
    I remember last Monday night the eighteenth of June 1888. I was in company with Thomas Walpole , a school teacher, George Mann and my other brother , John Mann the deceased.
    We were shooting Opossums. We went out about seven o'clock on that evening, and returned about nine o'clock. (This was down the Severn River ten mile.) Thomas Walpole laid a gun which we were shooting with, he laid down the gun upon a bed in the hut belonging to my father, the muzzle of the gun was facing the wall the gun was at that time unloaded.
    My brother John Mann the deceased said Thomas walpole you had better load up the gun, on which Thomas Walpole loaded the gun with shot and powder and capped the gun, and laid the gun upon the bed with the muzzle facing the walls.
    My brother George Mann was sitting on the bed at the time, he lifted the gun from off the bed, and pointed towards my Brother John Mann , who was standing before the fire with his right side to the bed. I heard the gun go off. I was at the time sitting down by the fire, between the deceased John Mann and the bed.
    I saw my brother John fall on his face. I then left the hut with Thomas Walpole and my brother George, and went to where William Wright lives.
    I said to William Wright jnr My brother is shot. I stayed at Wrights all night up to 12 o'clock the next day.
    I then returned to my fathers hut, and there saw my brother John laying on the ground.
    I did not know when the gun went off that my brother George had his hand on the trigger.
    After the gun went off I heard my brother George say, I did not think that the gun was loaded.
    I did not hear my brother John speak after he fell. My brother George and the deceased were on friendly terms. The gun now shown to me is the same, and the gun which we wwere out shooting with, with Thomas Walpole.
    When Thomas Walpole loaded the gun he loaded it with similar shot now shown to me.
    Witness George Deucher
    Arthur X mann
    Taken and sworn befor me at Stanthorpe in the said Colony on the day and
    year first above mentioned POLLETCARDEW P.M.

    Arthur Mann died in Stanthorp in 1919


    Isabell May Mann was born 1874 in Stanthorpe and died 1926 in Tenterfield.  She married in 1899, John Macmullan Smith and they had nine children. They lived in Tenterfield. John was a miner and a blacksmith.

    George Mann  born 1875

    Accidently shot his older brother John.

    Evidence given by George at the inquest reads;-
    George Mann upon his oath says as follows, I am about eleven years old,and reside with my father John Mann. I recollect last Monday, I was then on my father's selection in company with my two brothers John and Arthur, I saw Thomas Walpole the Teacher on that day.
    We went out Opossum shooting with him, and afterwards went to my father's Hut with Walpole and my two brothers.
    Walpole had a gun with him which he brought into the hut, and put it on the bed. I was sitting at the fire and afterwards went and sat on the bed where the gun was lying. I heard my brother say load the gun, but did not see it loaded. I afterwards took up the gun. The gun was not cocked, the hammer was down on the nipple. I pointed it at my brother John, the gun then went off, and I saw my brother John fall.
    I then ran to William Wright's with Walpole, and my brother Arthur. I remained at Wrights place during the night.
    When I took up the gun and pointed it at my brother I put it on fullcock, I did not see it was capped, as it was dark. I did not see anypersons load the gun, I did not know the gun was loaded.
    I had no quarrel with my brother, I only pointed the gun in fun, after I put the gun on cock, I pulled the tricker.

    George Mann

    Taken and sworn before me at Stanthorpe in the said colony on the day and year first above mentioned.
    He enlisted in World war 1 when nearly 40.

    MANN George : Service Number - 174 : Place of Birth - Stanthorpe QLD : Place of Enlistment - Warwick QLD : Next of Kin - (Mother) MANN Sarah Edith
    He left Sydney on board the HMAT A38 Ulysses on 20th February 1916.

    1914 - 1920   He was in the No1 Tunneling Company 

    'Work between Bony & Namur from 29 September 1918 to 20 December 1918.'
    Recommendation date: 16 January 1919

    Monument to the Tunnelers in Belgium
    The small opening is the entry to one of the tunnels. They worked with the Canadians on Hill 60.  It was one of the largest explosions ever, and could be heard in England.

     German bunkers

    George returned to Australia 20 April 1919


    Samuel Mann born 1878  died  1945.  Samuel married Caroline Rose in 1907.  They lived in Stanthorpe

    Alexander Andrew Mann was born 7th May 1880 and died 2nd December 1949.

    When he was born they were living on the Melbourne Claim near Stanthorpe.
    Alexander was known as Bert, and he married Charlotte May Burrows in Glen Aplin in 1906 and had eleven children.

    Alexander and Charlotte had seven sons, all served in Australian forces.  How worring for the poor parents.  Six were in World War 2 and one in Korea.  Ken Mann and Walter Mann were killed, and Ben was wounded.

    These poor parents, 6 boys in the same War.  

    The children and their links to the War:

    Ivy Elizabeth Mann  b 1906  d 1999  m  William Richard Page

    Albert Andrew Mann b 21 Nov 1907  m Eveline Cora Whitehead. He died 1970

    He left Brisbane on SS Duntroon and went to Morotai.  He fought in British North Borneo

    Charlotte Mary Mann b 13 Sept 1909  m  Blaney Clive Boston
    Elsie Harriet Mann b  8 Aug 1911  d  1999  m Ernest Ashton  b 1911  d 1967

    Walter Alexander Mann also died. 9th Division

    MANN WALTER ALEXANDER : Service Number - QX16755 : Date of birth - 28 Jun 1913 : Place of birth - STANTHORPE QLD

    Place of enlistment - TOOWOOMBA QLD : Next of Kin - MANN ALEXANDER     Walter died 22nd July 1942 in El Alamein Egypt.

    QX26755 A.I.F. 2/24 Bn Australian Infantry.  XVI B.6.

    Kenneth Raymond Mann  born 3rd June 1915.  He married Joyce Rebecca Talbot in Goondiwindi.   He was a Prisoner of War at Changi and drowned on a POW ship.

    MANN KENNETH RAYMOND : Service Number - QX10069 : Date of birth - 03 Jun 1915 : Place of birth - STANTHORPE QLD : Place of enlistment - TOOWOOMBA QLD : Next of Kin - MANN JOYCE   2/26 Battalion    Member of A force

     Kenneth captured by the Japanese during World War 2 and imprisoned in Changi POW camp.  Towards the end of the war, the Japanese were transferring POWs to Japan.  One of their POW ships was torpedoed by an American submarine, many of the prisoners, including Kenneth Mann survived the explosion but were later drowned.  Kenneth was a member of the A.I.F. 2/26 BN., Australian Infantry and there is a memorial to his death at Labuan Memorial in Malaysia[

    All through the war, groups of prisoners were transported around Japan’s captured territories, usually in small, slow, overcrowded merchant ships. Conditions aboard them were appalling. Even worse, over a thousand Australian prisoners of war died when ships carrying them were torpedoed by Allied submarines. The Japanese did not mark their ships or advise the Allies of their movements. The ships sunk included the Montevideo Maru (July 1942), the Kachidoki Maru and the Rokyu Maru (September 1944).

    Benjamin Robert Mann b 18 Dec 1916
    He married Jessie Ina Brown in Lismore in 1946.
    He died 10 March 1960 in Stanthorpe
    He enlisted in WW2  SN  QX25889
    2/15 th AIF

    Henry Charles Mann  born 14th May 1920 Lived at 6 Templeton Street Boulia, and died 14th March 1981   He is buried at Boulia, commited suicide.   Married Ruby  
    SN  QX60123

     Leslie David Mann  b  4 Sep 1922  d  7 Jul 2005

     Deception Bay  QX24660  2/43 Australian Infantry   Served in British North Bornea and Labaun.

    He was married

    Frederick Richard Mann b  24 Sept 1928  SN  13011  1st Battalion RAIC   Korea   31st March 1954 to 16 January 1955


    James Mann was born 21st June 1882 in Stanthorpe and died 27th September 1935.  He married Margaret Cummerford in 1906.

    Ethel Edith Mann was born 29 May 1884

    Harold Bernard Mann  born November 1888 in Stanthorpe

     and married May 1919 Margaret Elizabeth Shepherd.  He died in 1960 at Texas in Queensland.

    He served in World War I  SN 1878 and was injured in France then joined again in World War 2, when he was 50.

    Catharine Ann Mann was born 25th April 1886 and married Alexander McDonald June 1909  They had a son and a daughter.

    That is all of John Joseph's children. Alexander's children look so much like their Uncle Harold Bernard Mann.


    Margaret MANN was born Jan 1839 in Clare, Tandragee, Armagh, Ireland, and died 19 Dec 1901 in Moonbi, New South Wales, Australia.

     She married Henry Hoggett LAIDLAW 11 Jan 1866 in Primitive Methodist Chapel, Bourke Street, West Maitland, New South Wales, Australia, son of Mitchell LAIDLAW and Violet WILSON. He was born Abt 1841 in Ayton, Berwickshire, Scotland, and died 3 Feb 1913 in Hill Street, Tamworth, New South Wales, Australia.

    Margaret Mann travelled on the Tudor and arrived in Australia 1860, listed as a childsmaid.

    Margaret and her brother Andrew immigrated to Australia on the Ship "Tudor" which left Buikenhead, England on 9 May 1860 and arrived in Sydney on 17 August 1860. The deposit for their fare was paid by their brother Samuel (on 26 November 1859) who had immigrated several years earlier. The balance of the fare was sponsored by James Campbell who was the brother of Samuel's wife Elizabeth."  Margaret and Andrew were sent to Moreton Bay.

    She and Henry had 8 children.  They lived in Moombi New South Wales.

    Andrew MANN was born 24 Nov 1841 in Clare, Tandragee, Armagh, Ireland, and died 6 Mar 1879 in Bryan's Gap, Tenterfield, , New South Wales, Australia.

     He married Marcella May CAMERON 26 Dec 1864 in Drayton, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia, daughter of Alexander CAMERON and Katherine MCMASTER. She was born Abt 1847 in Corpach, Inverness, Scotland, and died 10 Feb 1930 in Miles St, Tenterfield, New South Wales, Australia.

    An article appeared in the Clarence and Richmond Paper 15 Mar 1879, with details as to Andrew's death.

    We regret to have to chronicle a sad and fatal accident that occurred on Thursday last at Bryan's Gap.  It seems that Andrew Mann, who has the contract for forming the road between Tenterfield and Barney Downs, had occasion to take rations for the men in him employ, and for the prupose was using his spring-cart and horse.  Immediately he started from his own place, the horse became res-tive and bolted, and ran into a clump of rocks close to the residence of Mr Finnerty, capsizing the cart.  Mann was thrown out on his head, the spring cart falling on top of him.  The unfortunate fellow was immediately convoyed to Mr. Finnerty's and Dr Bateman sent for, but before that gentleman arrived Mann had expired. Deceased was a married man, and has left wife and six children, for who much sympathy is felt.  he was well known about town, having for some time pursued the occupation of road contractor - Tenterfield Star

    His wife remarried Paul Curran, in 1880.

    Alexander MANN was born 1843 in Tandragee, Armagh, Ireland, and died 19 Dec 1917 in Toowoomba, , Queensland, Australia.

    He married Jane CARLYLE 22 Jul 1881 in Toowoomba, , Queensland, Australia, daughter of John (Snr) CARLYLE and Sarah Mc Glamach  She was born 1860 in Clifton (Station), Darling Downs, Queensland, Australia, and died 10 Dec 1934 in Queensland, Australia.

     Sarah and Jane Carlyle were sisters.

    Sarah Ann Mann  b 1881  d 1958  m  James Conley 1907.  Two children

    Alexander Mann b 1883  d 1958  buried Lutwyche Cemetery Anzac Por 9 Sec 3 Allot 24. m Agnes Conley in Toowoomba 1906 they had 6 children.

    1627 Private Alexander MANN, a 32 year old Cab driver from Toowoomba, Queensland. He enlisted on 3 August 1915; and subsequently Returned to Australia, 15 April 1918.

  • 1627 Trooper Alexander Mann, 2nd Light Horse Regiment, 12th Reinforcement.

  • George Mann b 1884  d 29 Dec 1914 Killed by a horse.  Mar Rebecca Chambers 1905

    William John Mann  b 1887  d 1944  m Florence Bubeck in 1914   Two children

    MANN, William John
    Service Number:21480
    Last Rank:Sergeant
    Last Unit:9th Field Artillery Brigade          

    World War 1 Service

    11 May 1916:Sergeant, 9th Field Artillery Brigade
    11 May 1916:Embarked HMAT Argyllshire, Sydney      SN 690      

    Andrew Henry Mann  b   1890  d 1930 in Toowoomba

    Robert James Mann born 1 August 1892. Enlisted 15 November 1915, 25th Battalion, 15th Reinforcement Unit left from Brisbane on board HMAT A46 Clan Macgilvray 7th September 1916.  Did of wounds 2nd November 1917. Died from gassing aged 25

     Buried at Lijssenthoek Military Cemetery Plot XXI Row FF Grave No 5A Belgium
    Married Maude Savage, living at Picott Street Herston Road Kelvin Grove. 


     It is the sheer number of the silent white soldiers that is so overwhelming when visiting the cemeteries.  Staggering, and that is not all of them, so many are just names on memorials

    Location Lijssenthoek, Provincie West-Vlaanderen - Flanders, Belgium
    Co‑ordinates N50.82839, E2.7016
    Description Boescheepseweg, 8970 Poperinge, Belgium
    From 1915 until 1920 the hamlet of Lijssenthoek became the venue for the biggest evacuation hospital in the Ypres Salient.
    The second largest Allied cemetery in Belgium (only Tyne Cot is larger).
    It is the largest hospital cemetery in the Ypres Salient, with almost 11,000 victims, representing 30 nationalities.
    Lijssenthoek was the site of a major cluster of Casualty Clearing Stations near the town of Poperinge, which also housed hospitals. Most of the burials here died of their wounds in the course of their treatment. Consequently, all but 24 of the graves are identified.

    Jane Florence Mann       1895 d  1992 m Cecil Joseph Clark 1944
    Margaret Mabel Mann  b 1899 d 1987   Sandgate  m  Percy William Thorogood


    Sarah Ann MANN was born 1845 in Tandragee, Armagh, Ireland, and died 25 Feb 1913 in Queensland, Australia. She married Isaac HOUSTON 13 Feb 1866 in Queensland, Australia. He died 1887 in Sydney as per the notice in the newspaper.

    Sarah died 26th February 1913 and is buried at the Gympie Cemetery

    Sarah and Isaac were living at 6 Mile Creek in 1873   Then in 1882 he had a hearing in the Gympie Curt about goods.

    In the LANDS and GOODS of ISAAC
    HOUSTON (otherwise William King), late ot Sydney, In the Colony ot New Soutli Wales, bul formerly ol' Gympie, in the Colony of Queensland, Deceased, Intestate, eldest Son and Heir-at-law of James Houston, late of Drayton, In the said Colony of Queensland, Far- mer, Deceased.
    Notice Is hereby given that, after the expiration ot fourteen dnyB from the pub- lication hereof, application will be made to this Honourable Court that LETTERS ot ADMINISTRATION bt all and slniiii hir the lands. goodB, chattel credits, and effects ot the abovenamed Isaac Houston (otherwise William King), de- ceased, who died Intestate, may be granted to SARAH ANN HOUSTON, of South Brisbane, in the said Colony of Queensland, the Widow ot the said deceased.

    Was he also Thomas Evans? listed in NSW Gazettes.

    His father was in Drayton and he had been the Mayor of the town at one stage.


    Mary MANN was born 1854 in Tandragee, Amagh, Ireland, and died 13 Jun 1937 in Steam Street, West Maitland, New South Wales, Australia.

    She married Robert HOUSTON 17 Apr 1876 in Home Of Thomas Caves, Greta, New South Wales, Australia, son of William HOUSTON and Margaret THOMSON.

     He was born 26 Mar 1849 in West Maitland, New South Wales, Australia, and died 11 Jan 1932 in West Maitland, New South Wales, Australia.

    They had a total of 10 children.  They lived in the Maitland area of New South Wales.


    In summary John Mann's family lived either in New South Wales or Drayton and Stanthorpe in Queensland in 1866.

    Samuel Mann would have known Isaac Houston and his father.  In 1865 Samuel is the licencee of the Bulls Head Pub.

    Sarah Mann was living at Drayton in 1866, when she married Isaac Houston
    By 1869 Sarah and her husband Isaac are living at 6 Mile just south
    of Gympie.  Today it is a popular pit stop on the highway.  But spare a thought for the ladies in 1872, who lived in the houses below and where a huge flood threatened their homes in 1873.

    Sarah may have had something to do with the Sovereign Hotel and the store in 1905.

    George and his family lived in Morpeth area in New South Wales.   George and his wife Jane came on the Golden Era.  While the record for Jane Mann has not been located, George's wife was also Jane Mann.

    It could be assumed that his sister Jane also came on the same ship or she came with her sister Margaret who arrived in 1860 on Tudor along with their brother Andrew.
    Margaret Mann was living in the Maitland area by 1866 when she married.
    Jane also lived in the Maitland area.
    Mary Mann married Robert Houston in Maitland in New South Wales by 1876., perhaps with her father.

    John Mann appears to have travelled to his daughter's home in Maitland as he died there.

    John Joseph Mann lived in Drayton in 1865 when he married Sarah Carlyle.  They then moved to the tin fields in Stanthorpe.

    Andrew Mann was living in Drayton area in 1864 when he married Marcella Cameron. They later
     moved to Tenterfield, where Andrew was a carter.

    Samuel Mann was in Drayton 1864 and probably on the council.  He also is reported as shooting some strange birds, with web feet, which were quite rare, and he wanted to give them to the museum.
     Alexander Mann was in Drayton when he married Jane Carlyle
    Sarah Mann was in Drayton 1865.  She married Isaac Houston, and her sister Mary married a Robert Houston in 1876.  Were they cousins?

    Ellen Mann was most probably living in Drayton as well in 1865.

    All ten children are now accounted for.

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